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November 06, 2007

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RLF

"Applineutics" is a great idea whose time has certainly come! Maybe you could write a book and share the principles here and/or at a Harvest Guild! Jeremiah 29:11 is just the tip of the iceberg.

Alex Marshall

If/When you write this book, please let me know. I definitely want to read it!

Scott

One resource I just read touches on this in the for of Exegetical Eschatology or e2.
Applying the LIGHTS principle to reading scripture:
Literal Principle:Reading the Bible as Literature
Illumination Principle
Grammatical Principle
Historical Principle
Typology Principle
Scripture Synergy
These are fleshed out in Hank Hanegraaff's new book "The Apocalypse Code"
A very good book and some very good tools for reading the Bible for all it's worth.

Rufus

Based on I Cor 1:2, are all the commands, exhortations, promises, etc contained in the letter for "all men everywhere"?

Jim Fleming

Rufus,
Here's how I would attempt to capture it. See what you think? Based on the forward (In 1 Cor. 1:1-3), the entire book was intended to be of direct benefit to all saints. But there are places where Paul describes circumstances and events that are relevant to the church in Corinth, but which may not be the experience of all saints. For example, when Paul says - "But in giving this instruction, I do not praise you, because you come together not for the better but for the worse" (1 Cor. 11:17 - NASB95) - I don't think he is describing every local gathering of believers. I certainly HOPE NOT! But he is definitely putting all saints on notice that it is possible for a gathering of the saints to be a spiritual liability, not an asset, if we aren't careful.

Rufus

It would seem that Paul's letter to the Corinthians is just that - Paul's letter to the Corinthians. I see Paul using his introduction (1:2) to place the Corinthian church "together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ." I don't really see Paul expanding his target audience - just placing them in the rapidly expanding 1st century church. I think it's a stretch to use v.2 as the basis for assuming that Paul was thinking of anyone beyond Corinth (authorial intent) when he wrote the letter.

jg

Isn't there a passage in the New Testament that says that all Israel went through was written for our benefit, so that we might learn spiritual lessons from it all? I may be remembering that wrong, but I think the point is that none of the Scripture may have been written directly to us, but that doesn't mean that God's Spirit can't use the words to touch our spirit. I think there is more to learn from the historical books or the Psalms, for example, than history lessons or what a man after God's own heart was feeling on a particular day. Or for that matter, I think there is more to those books than learning "about" God through His dealings with men. I think we can hear directly from Him through the Scriptures. Isn't that what II Timothy 3:16 means?
For example, let's say you are dealing with something very difficult, or maybe you have a decision to make. Your daily Bible reading has you in I Kings. The passage isn't particularly relevant to your situation, but the wording is such that it seems to grab your attention. Maybe there are words or phrases that describe what you are feeling or dealing with, words that only you and God would recognize as significant. You come away knowing that you have heard from the Lord. Is this not the experience of most Christians? Not that you this happens every time you read the Bible, and I know you have to be careful not to read too much into every passage you come across; not everything is meant to be personally applied. It's also important to pray for wisdom so that you will have eyes to see, ears to hear, etc. what it is God wants you to learn from Him And this is also not to say that God will speak to your particular situation every time either. He may speak to us, but not in the way we are expecting. I think Hebrews 4:12 helps with all this too. Please tell me if my thinking is wrong on this!

Jim Fleming

Rufus and other L-W readers - is there any evidence in 1 Cor. (or in other Pauline epistles) that Paul contemplated a larger target audience for his letters than just the original recipients?
JG - You have raised a big enough question to warrant a more expansive comment. This is a REALLY GOOD QUESTION - so look for a "postscript" on Thursday or Friday of next week.

Rufus

I am not familiar with any passages in I Cor that would indicate that Paul was addressing a broader audience outside of the Corinthian church. He does sometimes expand his letter's address to include other churches - the "churches" of Galatia and directing the Colossians and Laodiceans to exchange letters for example.

mjc

Thanks for your post jg. I know that we have talked about this is and I am interested to hear more about it from Jim.

My take on it was that sometimes when I am reading God's word it shows me an aspect that I had not considered or leads me to a broader thought than what is in my current frame of reference.

I remember that I gave you, jg, the example that with Jer 29:11, I haven't taken that to mean that "Oh yea! I am going to prosper and have no hardship." (My previous life experiences have already made the idea of a "happy fru-fru life" null and void. And I don't think there is enough adventure in that kind of life for me anyway!:) ) Plus, I don't want it all to be easy sailing, because I know I wouldn't remain as steadfast with the Lord or get to experience the joy that only He brings amidst the hardship. And that is a beautiful joy to be given and to embrace in your life!

BUT, I know that I have read Jer 29:11 and been reminded that yes I do have a hope and a future, because I am a child of God. My hope is eternal! I know that verse does not mean that specifically, but I do know that I feel God used that to remind this child of His, that my hope lies in Him and His eternal promise, not in what the world sees as "hope."

So, I can't wait to hear more about this topic! I'm looking forward to the postscript Jim!

mjc

By the way, concerning my post below, I forgot to say that I would not use that which I feel God showed me through Jer 29:11 as counsel for anyone else. I see it fit only for me at the time I read it. Just wanted to clarify!

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